Talk:BFB 13/@comment-31655374-20190419205851/@comment-32346922-20190419225553

Say for the sake of argument there was a competition to find the best fruit, with the rule that everyone must submit with their fruit a line of reasoning that explains why their fruit is best.

One person submits an apple, citing:

"Apples contain healthy vitamins, taste good, and are firm. Therefore, apples are the best fruit."

Statement green is an objective observation. Vitamins nurture the body and are practically always seen as a good thing.

Statement red is a subjective observation. Taste varies from person to person.

Statement orange is a neutral observation. It is true that apples are firm, but whether or not that is a positive attribute is relative.

Another, rather polite person who thinks oranges are the best fruit might look at what Pro-Apple submitted and make some judgments.

This line of reasoning is sound; to some people, all three statements are positive and true, and therefore the conclusion is sound. Even Pro-Banana might come out and say, "Despite some observations being subjective or neutral, the line of reasoning is sound, and I understand why someone who experiences these factors would say apples are the best fruit. I respect this opinion."

However, another person submits a durian, citing:

"Durians are harmful to touch, smell extraordinary, and cure cancer. Therefore, durians are the best fruit."

Statement blue is an objective observation. However, its observation contradicts what one would expect from the best fruit—that it would not harm you.

Statement maroon is a subjective observation. However, it is one that only a very small minority would agree with; most would consider it straight up false.

Statement purple is a falsehood. Durians are not known to cure cancer.

Despite Pro-Durian's logic being sound, his conclusion is still based off of either demonstrably false, contradictory, or unpopular claims. Pro-Banana might say, "The evidence used to arrive to the conclusion is insufficient at best, and misleading at worst. I think this opinion is wrong, and I don't respect it."